As promised last time, I have a couple of guests blogs in the works that will, with a little elbow grease, be published here this week. Also, I would like to thank everyone for not pointing out my terrible and obvious math error in my last post. One person pointed it out to me privately, as to help me save face and not look like a total degenerate idiot. But we all know the truth anyway, right? So I decided not to amend the error, because degeneracy is a warm cocoon of comfort. If you wish, review the blog precedeing this one and then make fun of me in the comment section on this post. That will do just fine. Remember when I was talking about going back to school, and I showed you this artist's rendering of me...
...? Well, I wasn't just whistling Dixie. So there you go.
Now, on to the point here. The subject of this post is, loosely, prostitutes.
This post was sparked by the following event:
A few days back I was at the local market getting some food and nicotine supplies, and as I went to get back into my truck, I noticed a few home-printed pictures laying on the ground next to my driver's door. They were paper clipped together. Here are two of those pictures.
I was curious, but more so, I was kind of grossed out. Now here's the deal: I get tired enough of seeing half naked nineteen year old girls on advertisements for goddamn-near everything in this country. I find all the sexuality degrading to the collective American intellect. But I guess nearly naked nineteen year olds sell peanut butter, so there's probably no stopping that. But the lady in the pictures I found was old enough, as you can see, to be my grandmother, which added an extra degree of ickiness to them. I did find them somewhat humorous, though. Then I turned one of the pictures over and realized that the photos were either a kind of personal ad, or a kind of erotic service ad. The writing was as follows:
When I go out with guys and take off my coat or sweater and they see these big 32DD's, their eyes about fall out. They are so big because I'm so small at 5'0" and 117 lbs. 9 lbs of me is my titts. Lucy.There was no contact information, but I presume contact info and rates may have been on a separate picture that escaped the paperclip. I found highly interesting, for some reason, Lucy's use of a double "t" in the word "tits". I found the photos in general, though, gross and alarming and I immediately thought "my blog readers would like to see this".
Lucy, I'm sorry that your pictures had to end up on the internet. But since they had already ended up in the King Soopers parking lot, I figure you probably don't care much.
Here's my argument.
Craigslist Should Not Be Pressured To Censor Erotic Services Ads
You can read up a little bit on the Craigslist hubbub here at the Gray Lady. The long and short of the situation is that Craigslist used to have an "erotic services" section on their free classified ad web page. At some point, Craigslist bowed to judicial pressure and began to require a credit card number and a small sum of money for a person to post an "erotic services" ad. This was done to help investigators root out illegal behavior. This still gave the police little to work with though, because of a little thing we like to call entrapment. A cop would have to divulge to an erotic service provider, at his or her request, whether or not he or she was indeed a cop, making his feeble attempt to enforce the law a moot point.
The listing of the ads used to look like this:
The ads were always cryptic and never spelled out exactly what the service provided was. Usually it just offered hourly rates. As things moved forward, though, further pressure forced Craigslist to temporarily stop all of the ads. One million perverts lamented on the day they logged onto their beloved Craigslist and saw this:
That's right. A big fat "censored" bar over their gateway to mind bending and, presumably, expensive sexual deviancy.
Craigslist, last week, went even further by totally removing the "erotic services" section, and saying that they would not be bringing it back. Ever. The government morality police won.
I find this to be ludicrous for a lot of reasons. First of all, being the kind of guy I am, I don't cotton well to government defining morality for us in instances where consenting adults are making choices alone or amongst themselves that aren't directly harming anyone else. The very principle of the government telling its constituency what they can or cannot do with their own bodies is vile to me.
I can delve further into the details here, though, and say that it is especially obscene to me that the government has created such laws to the direct detriment of some of the most underprivileged people in existence. Few could argue that the majority of sex workers are inner city African American women who were raised in government subsidized dope/welfare traps. The schools in those areas (as public schools everywhere increasingly do) likely robbed the majority of these women of any semblance education. These are arguably the most vulnerable people in America. And what makes their lives so terrible, more than likely, is not primarily their choice to ingest hard drugs or their choice to have sex for a living. What makes it terrible is that drug law and prostitution law has made a fair market for these people non-existant. The chips are stacked against them in every way. Instances of violence and death among these women are alarmingly high, as the intersection of the drug and sex black markets makes them the ideal target of horrible abuse. Because the government has relegated them into the lowest postion in society, they stand little chance of escaping, or barring that, making a reasonable living of what is commonly known as the "oldest profession".
Craigslist is not the only website on the internet offering such advertisement services for working women (and men). In fact, there are many such websites, and the practice of soliciting Johns on the web will not go away any time soon. Probably never. The fact is, though, that Craigslist was making it safer for some sex workers to do what they do. Rather than rely on a pimp, who is likely abusive, demanding and unfair, a worker could take his or her business into their own hands and keep a greater percent of the money they made (namely, 100%). A worker naming her own terms in regards to "whens," "wheres," and "hows" is much less likely to be beaten or robbed (or worse) than a worker standing on a darkened street corner in one of America's many dope traps. Craigslist was empowering these workers in some instances to avoid (or crawl out of) a situation that could only be living hell.
The Oldest Profession
Look at these monkeys.
Capuchin Monkeys
They look pretty happy and shit, right? They don't look morally crooked or sexually deviant, do they? Well here's the real story on prostitution. When they call it the "oldest profession", they are not kidding. Check out this article from the New York Times magazine. You may be amazed, as I was, to read about a "behavioral economist", Keith Chen, and the monkeys he was experimenting on.
His experiment was to see if a group of capuchin monkeys could understand the basic principles of economics in regards to currency. Chen taught the monkeys, over time, to "buy" cubes of Jell-O, grapes and apples with the currency he introduced to them. Chen was amazed at how quickly the monkeys caught on to the concept. He was even further amazed when he introduced "market shocks" to the snack array available to the monkeys. When the price of Jell-O went up, the monkeys would stop buying Jell-O with their coins, understanding very well that they were getting more bang for their buck on apples and grapes. The research went on, and the monkeys loved their Jell-O when the price was good.
Then, apparently, a heist of sorts took place, and one of the monkeys distributed a whole load of the coins to the population. Now the monkeys had coins in their own living area, where before the coins had only ever been present in the "snack store area".
A few days later, Chen observed an amazing thing. He watched one of the male monkeys walk up to one of the females and give her some coins. Knowing full well that the male understood the value of his currency, Chen thought at first that he might have witnessed true primate altruism.
But just before he could be sure, Chen saw that the male monkey promptly began to engage in sex with the female monkey. The monkeys were paying for sex. There was no way around the conclusion. This was a genuine monkey sex worker.
That, friends, is what they mean when they say that it is the "oldest profession". We were likely paying for sex the day we learned how to bash each other with old femur bones ala 2001: A Space Odyssey.
So who is the judiciary to tell Craigslist not to allow advertising for such services for a nominal fee? Who is the government to demonize these people and cast them out of society and into a realm where health care and personal security are not even an option? And who is Craigslist, furthermore, to back down from this kind of bullying, instead of standing up for all of our rights to be prostitutes if we are so inclined? If they are concerned about sex slavery, their best bet is to legalize prostitution across the board so that law enforcement officials will be able to zero in on that disgusting activity without having to waste their time with the thousands of false positives found in women and men who legitimately want to work in the sex trade. The government's stance here, like in so many other places, is criminal.
But folks, the number one reason Craigslist should re-open their erotic services section is in the hopes that none of us will ever ever have to see something like this:
... next to our vehicles as we leave a grocery store again. Because, I'll be frank, I was going home to make dinner immediately after that, but after seeing these pictures, I had totally lost my appetite. Sorry Lucy. Keep that shit on the internet where it belongs. Or it might end up here. Hopefully none of your grandkids read my blog.
Love.











29 comments:
One wonders just what Lucy's rates are. Maybe it depends on the going rate for cards at the local bingo hall? Or maybe it's dictated by the cost of Ensure.
I am with you in that the govt needs to lay off our process of free enterprise... we have local newspapers with 'erotic services' ads in the back, and the government isn't concerned about them, so why Craigslist?
Your post does give me a money making idea though: A Simian Sex for Hire website. I could be a virtual Primate Pimp.
SD
http://simpledudecomplexworld.blogspot.com/
Well, that is the puritan state that we live in. The law makers want all of the fun stuff for themselves.
i can see both sides: prostitution is currently illegal in almost all of the united states. there are other sections of craigslist where people can advertise for therapeutic massage and the like.
while i'm not a huge fan of the government dictating morality, and i hate censorship, at this point in time prostitution is illegal, whether you advertise to your johns online or use a pimp.
Maybe Lucy was on Craigslist and got no responses from her "erotic services" ad. Grandma had to resort to disseminating her photos in parking lots to hope for a response. lol.
I hope that you've got your regular appetite back!
hey mon i'm pretty sure cops are free to lie about whether or not they are a cop. as i understand it, entrapment is more like a cop posing as a prostitute and trying to bust horny people. but if a cop tries to buy sex from a whore, they can lie about being a cop.
Good post. You've given me much to think about... not something I really expect from my blogs. Way to keep me guessing. The study is fascinating!
Become a little more ninja each day:
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Well, Charles- I've got to stand up for the ol' gal, since I'm probably about her age.
Since we really don't know her story other than her unfortunate lack of spelling skills, I'm loathe to judge her- for all we know those photos and lovely accompanying copy were distributed by an ex-husband with shit for brains.
She could be raising her kids' kids as so many are today and lost her job in this outstanding economy, driving her into the companion industry.
Or, she could be an old barfly. Who the hell knows?
Anyhow, I've stood up for my generation- carry on- but remember, god willing you'll be old alot longer than you'll be young- terrifying, ain't it? :)
Poor Lucy. What will the other PTA ladies who shop at King Soopers think now that the cat is out of the bag?
I find the whole prostituion thing rather seedy and I doubt very many people dream of being a ho for hire when they grow up. At the same time, people should have the choice to do what they want with their own bodies. If prostitution was legalized then perhaps some of the dark side of the business (abuse, etc) would be minimized. Having lived somewhere where prostitution was legal helped shape my views on this matter.
Interesting monkey study. Primates are incredibly intelligent. I've seen a video of a monkey sodomizing a toad. After seeing that primate prostitution really isn't all that surprising.
Have a fabulous week! xo The Empress
http://rantersbox.blogspot.com
Unless they do regulate and legalize prostitution, it's not a wise idea to allow craigslist to enable that type of solicitation even though you give a very good and strong argument. The only reason why I say it's not such a wise idea, is because you're assuming those who put up the advertisements are coming from the prostitutes themselves and not the panderers. How do you know a sleezy, 50-year old douchebag is not putting up an ad for child prostitution? How do you know that the person giving the services is not coerced and her pimp is the one writing the ad? So unless prostitution is regulated, there's no getting around that. However, I still maintain that prostitution shouldn't be allowed. Mostly because it encourages the-said population to stay in their squalor because it's the "easier" way to make a living. Knowledge and proficiency can be attained without school seeing how most schools feed children with regurgitated bullshit anyways. I would keep listing more of my opinion, but I doubt it will persuade you any better, and you're educated enough to take it in stride. Have a good night.
Why is the last picture all stained and stuff? Making her look like she has some weird of skin disease? At any rate, I'm highly amused by the fact you found this at a parking lot.
And they should just legalize prostitution. Along with marijuana! Ching!
Hey Charles. Good to hear from you again.
Lucy kind of reminds me of this lady I used to work with in a customer service center. I don't think she left fliers like that on people's cars, but she was REALLY short and petite with these disproportionately large fake breasts that she was rather proud of. She was even older than Lucy.
I can agree with you on the whole prostitution thing. Heck, back when "the oldest profession" was the "newest profession" it was seen as an important and necessary line of work.
I agree with the Empress that these prostitutes would be more protected if their line of work were legalized. I have no idea why a person would want to sell their body, but it's not really my place to ask, now is it?
Hope school and everything is going okay for you. And don't feel bad about the math error. Math and I have a long standing hate-hate relationship. I suck at math. It's evil.
http://candicesstories.blogspot.com/
Monkey Prostitution.
I actually don't think I've ever heard of anything more awesome.
In Melbourne, Australia prostitution is regulated and monitored. Everyone is safer for it and unlike what other may say, doesn't lead to people living in squalor.
Some people REALLY LIKE SEX. And are GOOD AT IT.
Soooo..... how is it bad that they make it their profession?
Ewww- Annah's right... the last picture is all stained. Gross, Charles. Did the monkey prostitutes get a hold of it?
Dinner With Kir
7.6% interesting ad she had there.
Bonus points for anyone getting that joke.
It would be kind of awesome if we weren't so messed up about sex in our society. While we've come a long way since the sexual revolution, we still have a big problem when our government says showing nipples is worth a ton of fines, but guts and gore is perfectly fine for prime time.
Hell, the monkeys have it figured out.
Aside: Empress...a toad? I am bewildered.
The funniest thing about this whole affair Charles is that you put the pictures up on your blog. That's what I like about In Review and Stuff- you never know what your gonna get next. Keep up the good work!
I've always thought prostitution should be legal, to the horror and disgust of my entire family, including my extremely liberal, hippy sister. It always seemed strange to me that being a porn actor/actress is legal but prostitution isn't. Don't porn actors get paid to have sex, and PUBLICLY at that?
I'm surprised prostitutes aren't filming their jobs and calling it porn to evade the law. That seems like the logical thing to do.
Of course, if prostitution was legal that wouldn't be necessary. And if it was legal STDs wouldn't spread as rapidly. Testing could be done regularly, treatment received, and like in the porn industry, if you test positive for HIV three times, you're retired. Doesn't that seem more logical than just spending all of the man hours on trying to catch these women and their Johns in the act when there are more important things for the police to handle?
It's completely ridiculous that the government can dictate what you can or can't do with your own body.
As for Lucy, I applaud her for believing she's beautiful and sexy, although I'm sure there are classier ways to advertise her assets that don't include putting fliers out in the public parking lot of a grocery store where children are likely to find her pictures. I agree with you, though, it's like looking at my grandma and that's just...disturbing.
BTW, I thought you were like dying of Ebola Gangrene or something while you were gone. You're not a zombie pretending to be human, are you? If you are, that's cool. I don't judge people for being Undead.
"The simple summary is that undercover police are given a great deal of latitude when investigating suspected criminals. They may lie, break controlled substance laws, ask to buy substances by name, offer drugs for sale and are not required to identify themselves during the course of their undercover investigations."
that's police state for ya. taken from
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070908171726AACoWOq
although that type of thing concerns me much less than liberty/privacy erosion and the whole absurd wars, wasted bailouts (aka horrible banker just got a billion dollar bonus for bankrupting countless citizens ... freakin' criminals) type stuff... anyhoo...
i think the government take down of craigslist had everything to do with the case of the craigslist killer. there are just too many nutty people out there, and seemingly, craigslist did not want to be liable for all that nuttiness.
lucy totally reminds me of the tv show "weeds". a mother/grandmother would obviously do just about anything to support her family. yuck!
LOVE tea for tillerman!
glad you're back! we missed you!
nice boobs..oops I mean nice post
:)
Today is my b'day
I love that whenever I visit "In Review" I can read about something that takes my mind off of school. "In Review" has some of the most random topics I have ever read, yet at the same time, offer honest, argumental stand points on why or why nots.
I cannot wait to see what the government will censor next. Its not like teaching Kindergarteners about sex ed (graphically, I might add) is helping out the sexuality and sexual discovering of young children any... Whos idea was that anyway? Why didn't the government put a halt to that any quicker? Oh... because they cared about the sexual innuendos being posted on Craigslist...
Hey government officials, way to set your priorities!
Hey Thats my mom!
Grandma?!?!?! Just kidding, But I somewhat agree, though the persuasion of the government also goes deeper and is sticking fingers in all of our lives, free speech, but don't offend anyone, freedom of religion, just make sure it is one we practice, freedom to bear arms, as long as it meets our standards, freedom to oppose the government to an extent. Just an FYI, if you don't vote, to anyone actually reading my ramblings, GO VOTE, CHANGE the way our generation is viewed as internet and game slackers, Charles has the right idea with this blog, make your voice heard, tell people what is going on out there. Remember, "The pen is mightier than the sword." or in this case the laptop, But a laptop can hurt, too.
holy eff.
I personally don't condone prostitution or all the sexually explicit material in todays advertising, however, your argument was very valid. I wouldn't want any woman or man to have to do that for a living, but if they choose to take that path in life, there should be a safe place for them to do so.
Good argument, you must have been in debate. Hahahaha.
And... ewww.... no thanks for those pictures...
I cannot honestly concieve of anything more infuriating than a government's blind intrusion into the privae affairs of its citizens. This part of your post enraged me.
I also cannot think of anything more hysterical (and somehow life-affirming?) about the act of sexual solicitation being found to be instinctual. This part of your post made me laugh out loud and glance smugly at the puritanical hypocrisy surrounding me in the "buttoned up" Land of the Brits.
I heart you, Charles.
(Oh and don't sweat the infrequent posting, etc. The faithful will still be here when you're ready to come back.)
- B x
Hey there,
I live in Australia and prostitution is legal here. I think it's great. I like the idea that people can work in the sex trade and be safe. There are stringent regulations and there's no fucking around with that. No diseases. No pimps. No robberies. No rapes. Prostitutes can work in licensed brothels and NOWHERE ELSE. I think that's the way to go - because there is simply too much room for abuse with the alternative. I don't want to be a hippy leftist or anything but I think it really makes no sense for the government to be interfering with prostitution at all. It really is passing judgement on people's private lives.
I'm bestowing you with a blog award so please stop by my site to pick it up.
Happy Weekend, The Empress
http://rantersbox.blogspot.com
Profound points sandwiched with scary, scary pictures...
I don't see what the problem with Lucy is. I'd throw her a Lincoln to slob on my knob, and probably even a Hamilton to take the skin boat to tuna town. AND I'd brag about it!
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